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民進黨路向V.s社民連路向 [複製鏈接]

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發表於 2008-3-30 23:20:27 |顯示全部樓層
(從"評陶君行等對大選後台灣政情的觀察"欄轉移過來)
http://www.hkreporter.com/talks/ ... &extra=page%3D1

回頭再說陶君行以台灣選選舉來反思香港泛民+社民連的路向,說白點,似是以民進黨經歷來反思社民連的路向。陶君行說得很誠懇,有點感喟,民主是理念,但在香港選舉再喊民主可能不掂。

我無黨無派但意識上是「融中自由派」。年前社民連初成立就評過他們的黨綱(草稿)--但之後無評論過社民連。這裡簡略說幾點:

●台灣與香港(大局)的比較:
------統獨/藍綠&&&中央V.s地方

●台灣與香港(政黨環境)的比較:
------全面民主&&&鳥籠民主(有議政權沒有執政權)

●民進黨與社民連(理念)的比較:
------主體性->台獨&&&民主->普選->聯邦->邦聯

●民進黨與社民連(政治需求)的比較:
------執政->獨立&&&當選(目前)

●民進黨社民連與(政治行動)的比較:
-----反中->去中->政權本土化->反藍&&&反保皇派->反建制->反富人->疑中(央)->拒中(央)

●民進黨與社民連(論述)的比較:
-----台獨->主體化&&& 民主->草根->反對派->社會左派
100x

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發表於 2008-3-31 01:14:40 |顯示全部樓層
●2008選後對民進黨失敗的思考/社民連奮起的思考(1)

★(民進黨)獨立是一個遙遠的夢,要從民族主義跳回現實的民主(環境),要achive民主及民生,才能再執政。獨立/主體性不是執政的手段,而是執政後的目的。

◎(社民連)簡單的疑中(央)拒中(央)打曾--推翻中共的潛意識--未成為是論述主體,當然也不能是當選的手段。但社民連可用真正的反對派意識(建制內)疑中拒中及打曾,可在道德民生層面拒中及打曾----反其合理性但不反其合法性---除非有能力推翻政府。

但社民連擺脫不了思想習慣---毓民和長毛等如台獨大老,網上擁LSD友等於深綠。社民連口中一直强調「真正的反對派」,但事實上未建立出「真正的反對派」(只是噪音派--不反對噪音的意義,這裡指程度) 。市民不知反對派是啥,更是另一個故事了。
(這一part,Q仔的目光比社民連看得遠)

(不要抝頸,中共未準全面民主,是另一議題)

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發表於 2008-3-31 02:24:52 |顯示全部樓層
dtkwong
論壇元老


I wonder if I am the only one; but I do not really understand what exactly LSD's agenda is.

Okay, LSD is a party for the Hong Kong people, particularly to those "weak and poor". But what exactly is LSD proposing to bring to the Hong Kong people?

LSD supported the increase of "fruit money" - okay, this is something most if not all senior citizens would support and they probably deserve an increase to give them a better living standard. But does the majority of the HK people support this? I wonder.

Universal Suffrage and HK people to elect HK CEO - okay, this might be an issue that the majority of the HK people would HOPE to see; yet how many HK people are really prepared to fight for this issue? In reality, people of Hong Kong are very much half accepting the fact that both of these issues are not going to happen any sooner and most of the Hong Kong people do not see these two issues are life-threatening issues.

If we look around, what are the REAL issues that the people of Hong Kong are suffering and would want a party to represent them to fight for them,  to bring upon changes. Much of Hong Kong people are way too practical and they would worry about bread and butter matters more than a polictical ideology.

LSD, and any other political party for that matter, must bring something onto the table to incentivize the people to support them and to vote for them. It will not be easy, if possible, to win votes based on just nice-to-haves.

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發表於 2008-3-31 03:51:52 |顯示全部樓層
williamtwp
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You can read LSD's book which states clearly the party's objectives.

Most people are not clear about LSD because the media has either not reported much or painted a dark picture on it.

I'll suggest you should 'wait and see' -- LSD is set to publish weekly newspaper and launch election compaign.

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